In 1982 Giuseppe (Beppe) Saronni won the World Championships in Goodwood, England on a new style of Colnago that featured crimped frame tubes. This frame is on display in the Colnago museum if you are lucky enough to visit.
So which Colnago model is it?
Well.. Search online and you will find a lot of conflicting claims as to which model he used to win this race; a Super Profil or Nuovo Mexico? If you look very carefully at the following image, you will see the frame has one crimp in the middle of the top tube and one crimp in the middle of the down tube. Search online and you will find close-up pictures of this frame in the Colnago museum.
Part of this confusion can be attributed to a sign that is attached to Saronni’s bike in the Colnago museum that says ‘SUPER – Acciaio’ which translates as ‘SUPER – Steel’. However, if you visit the Colnago website ‘Hall of Fame’ page, you will see Saronni’s 1982 World Championship bike with a caption saying he won this race on a Mexico. These two pieces of information are conflicting.
So I emailed Colnago with the question: Which bike was it, a Super (Profil) or Nuovo Mexico? I received a reply from Colnago’s Chief Press Officer advising that Saronni’s bike was a ‘New Mexico’, the website it correct, the placard in the museum was incorrect. So ‘case closed’ – you would expect.
However, I was recently contacted by a vintage bike enthusiast (refer comments section below) whom has written a long article discussing this same topic. The premise of his article contradicts the information presented on Colango’s website. The author states that he has confirmed with Mr. Alex Colnago and Mr. Saronni that the bike used to win these world championships was definitely a Super – that featured crimped tubes.
So, like you, I’m a bit puzzled as I would expect Colnago to be an authoritative source about their own cycling history?
I recently came across detailed images of a frame that matches the single crimp down tube of Saronni’s World Championship winning bike. It was listed by Speed Bicycles as a Nuovo Mexico. This particular frame appears to have an original decal that specifically mentions the 1 Hour Record win by Merckx on a Mexico. The sort of decal you could expect to find on a bike like a Nuovo Mexico? Could this actually be the first version?
Images are courtesy of www.speedbicycles.ch
Disclaimer!
Please remember that this information is only to be used as a guide.
I consider myself an enthusiast, not an expert. The information I have presented in this article is based on my many hours of online research.
In addition, there will always be frames that don’t quite match the characteristics of a particular model as they could have been a custom build, prototype etc. Note: forks can also be swapped between different frames.
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I have been to the factory and seen the 1982 Saronni Super ,
I had profile chain stays , two ribs on top tube and two on down,
The first Nuovo Mexico was with two tt ribs , 4 DT and no chain stay ribs , I also had and flat stamped stay caps , the 2nd Nuovo Mexico is circa 86 , different stay caps , no ribs
I had it confirmed in person at the factory the Model marked 1982 Saronni Super is not a Mexico .
Hi Saarf. Before publishing my article on this subject, I initially read your web page discussing the Super vs. Nuovo Mexico and found a range of other conflicting information presented online. So I decided to contact Colnago for clarification as to which bike Saronni rode to World Championship victory and their chief press officer advised me that it was the Nuovo Mexico. I subsequently published the information I was provided, whilst being different to your own. As I am impartial, I am happy to include your comment, then readers can decide for themselves.
As I said
I have been i to the factory and seen the bike in person .
I wrote my article after I had it confirmed by Alex Colnago , I know the person you say you have spoken to , ‘resident expert ‘ , he is a good man but not the resident expert .
I also met Mr Saronni , who confirmed 82 winner was a super .
The model has two rib tt , two rib dt and ribs in chain stays , no Mexico has ribbed stays .
The Super also has fluted Colnago stamped seat stay caps , which also pr date the 1983/4 Nuovo Mexico ,I had one before .
There was a later Nuovo with rounded stamp , this was 85/86 .
Saronni did not ride the Mexico until later .
There is a 1984 catalog with the blue Nuovo and Super , only the Super is describes as having ribs in stays .
You your self have posted here the first ribbed models were Supers .
The Columbus chart for
SP / SL you post is misleading as well . It has no context with a Nuovo Mexico , only the 1st 70’s model , as this is why the chain stay is round , not dimpled , smeller scale .
No mention of mixed steels is the 1984 catalog
Hi Saarf. I have updated my article with your version of events. Ultimately it is up to Colnago to change their website in order to eliminate all confusion.
What I find interesting is that the bike is equipped with a 50th anniversary Super Record groep. A case of top riders having the best equipment.
Sadly that makes it almost impossible for me to assemble a replica of this iconic bicycle.
Too bad!
Regards Bert.
Hi Bert, yes 50th Anniversary Campagnolo Super Record is a real collector’s item now which has pushed the prices sky high, not that it would have been very cheap back in the day! Maybe you can find a reasonable condition Super Record group and enjoy the same functionality and light weight components just without the special logos and gold trimmings featured on 50th.
well i’m glad i have one in my collection with 50th anniversary Super Record. My frame is numbered E866 and is the Colnago Super Profil (third version)…..Rouleur happy to sen you my pics to confirm the frame and model as well…. Crushrrr
Hi Crushrrr, congratulations on owning such a nice groupset and bike. You can post a link to the images if you like. How to share images on cycling obsession.
Hi mate, i also own in my collection a 1988 Master with NOS C Record (Delta) and a the holly grail (colnago arabesque with 50th campag as well) i will upload the link …..these bikes have never been in public so this is the firt time I have shown the bikes in public >
this is the link mate, love to get your feedback > https://photos.app.goo.gl/Vbipae5B4YUWCJxx8
Stunning collection of bikes in pristine condition. Well photographed.
I have the Cycling Weekly magazine published Sept 12th 1982 (With Mandy Jones on the cover) and back cover shows Saronni, hands loft crosing the finishing line at Goodwood. The groupset is definitely not 50th Anniversary. Black rear mech castings, black front mech body, domed brake caliper nuts and absence of gold coins in brake levers. I smell a fudge here…
Hi Martin, thanks for your comments.
Saludos.
Cómo podría saber exactamente que cuadro Saronni tengo???
Como puedo pasar fotos aquí para que me digas si sabe que cuadro es??
Gracias
Translated to English;
Greetings.
How would I know exactly which Saronni frame I have???
How can I post photos here so you can tell me if you know what painting it is?
Thank you.
Hi, I have included 2 links to the frames Saronni would have used in this article. Please refer to those pages to help determine the frame you have.
I think its just a definitional problem, something merely formal, conventional.
No substance.
The super and the mexico were almost identical, we are talking in substance about the same bike, an incredible performer and a piece of art . If one want to call it “Mexico” or “Super” or “new Mexico” for a pair crimps more or less ……. that doesn’t change the substance and the value of that great bike.
It should be noted that Super and Mexico geometries are the same, but their tubing was not, and a full frame made with Columbus “Record” tubing was not technically meant for general road use due to the thin walled (.5mm) unbutted tubes used which is what Mexico frames are made with. Supers used “SL” tubing during their entire production until the early-mid ’90s Nuovo Mexico frames are stronger using both “Record” and “SL” tubing as a mixed set. I cannot verify what frame parts are “Record”; but I believe the crimped tubes are the “SL” (PROFIL).
Hi Jesper, yeah the Nuovo Mexico downtube featured 4 offset crimps which gave it a subtle club/clover profile (ie. not a round tube). I assume this shape provided more stiffness, so thinner tubing may have been used there as you mentioned. Coincidentally, the early Colnago Arabesque frames have the same tube profiles as the Nuovo Mexico, with more fancy lugs (before the Arabesque was upgraded to Master tubing).
Hi
I have a Colnago bought in 1983 It has 2 crimps on top tube,4 crimps on oblique tube a CX fork.The chain stay has crimps on the inside.Just behind the tube where the crankset is insert it has a bridge connecting the two horizontal tubes.
What model is this?
Thank you Best regards
Hi Saverio, your bike sounds like a Colnago Profil CX (Second Edition)